Tuesday, November 20, 2007


I bust on religion on a fairly regular basis, I despise system that tries to segregate people, I see Money, Religion, and Nationalism as the greatest dividers of human society, in that order. Today I'm going to give an example of why I'm despise religion. I usually pick on the christians because thats who I'm surrounded by and it's what I was brought up as so I know their stories better. Plus in this country it's the christians I see as the greatest threat to our democracy. As Sinclair Lewis so poignantly stated, "When fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." But today I'm giving the silly christians a pass and going after another easy target, Islam. The reality though isn't that I'm attacking Islam or any other religion, what I'm attacking is those who think the religion needs to be a part of the government. This is an attack of theocracies in general.

My example, a Saudi woman who first committed the crime of venturing outside with a man she was not related too, horrific. Then she had the audacity to allow herself and her male friend to be gang-raped by seven men. Now the rapists have gone to jail, and she gets 90 lashings. Before anyone tries to claim this only proves that Islam is evil needs to read their bible. According to the bible if you rape a woman you must pay her father 50 bucks and then marry her, as long as shes a virgin otherwise its death to them both, the woman is killed for not screaming and the man is killed not because of the rape but because he ruined another mans property. Fuck the bible it's just a sick a basis for a legal system as the Koran. Oh and because she allowed her story to be hear by the media her sentence was increased to 6 months in jail and 200 lashings plus the judge was so angry at her attorney that he has been dis-barred and she stands without a lawyer.

So as I've said many times before anyone who does not think separation of church and state is important, look at Saudi Arabia or Iran, anyone who is actively opposed to Separation of Church and State, you go ahead and move to Saudi Arabia or Iran ya fucks.

And thank you to UTI for making me aware of this fucked up case.


db0 said...

I saw this story and I agree that it is the epitome of fucked up things islam and the oh-so-great sharhia law does.

Nevertheless, I am glad to see another person disliking nationalism as well.

Kilgore Trout said...

Yeah fuck nationalism, in the words of Kurt Vonnegut its just a grandfalloon.

Here's what Wiki has to say about Granfalloons in case you never read Cat's Cradle.

The most common granfalloons are associations and societies based on a shared but ultimately fabricated premise. As examples, Vonnegut cites: "the Communist Party, the Daughters of the American Revolution, the General Electric Company, the International Order of Odd Fellows—and any nation, anytime, anywhere." A more general and oft-cited quote defines a granfalloon as "a proud and meaningless association of human beings." Another granfalloon example illustrated in the book was Hoosiers, of which the narrator (and Vonnegut himself) was a member.

But this is my favorite part.

If you wish to study a granfalloon, just remove the skin of a toy balloon.—Bokonon

Rob the Granola Guy said...

I also heard the attorney got 500 lashes also. I can see how this is great fodder for my atheist friends, but I'm thinking about it more in terms of geopolitical morality. These sick fuckers are our ALLIES. While Bush gushes about democracy and freedom, he's got his nose so far up the Saudis asses that we can't breathe.

QoGranolaBoxU said...

Just remember that we are supposed to be shocked and horrified by Iran for making women wear headscarves, but Saudi Arabia are our ALLIES. Easy goin', Miller-guzzling good guys.

QoGranolaBoxU said...

OK, please ignore my scary echo-style post, I should read before I hit the "send" button if I want to look remotely clever, or at least that's what I'm told.

Kilgore Trout said...

We've all made that mistake before.

And yeah, you're right, I completely failed to point out that these are the "good guys" over there. They also happen to be the "good guys" where most of the 9/11 hijackers are from, desperate people, desperate means anyone? I guess this was the kind of story I didn't want to think about too terribly much or else I would freak out.

And Rob, why the two different names?